The Messiah

After almost an hour of reading the posts in this thread, it is disheartening to see the lack of understanding of not only the basic tenants of our country and the willingness to stray so far from it, but in the understanding of civics and political stucture of our government.

Please keep this in mind, if you choose to use Bush as the boogey-man for all our ills, you do understand that at anytime over his term, the Democrats could have stopped anything they disagreed with him on? The Republicans did not have a fillibuster-proof control. The question you want to ask yourself is WHY they did not do so? Why did they not do so over the past two years when they have been in control of the Congress (who writes the checks)?

Who are you going to blame next year (or over the coming months) when this gets much worse, and the same socialist/nationalist mistakes are compounded? You have already seen how the Dems plan to deal with these issues over the last two years, and more pointedly over the last few months in what they forecasted they will do. The Dems are not opposing this, but endorsing more of the same (which is HISTORICALLY their position).... You can choose, as so many here seem to be doing, to ignore this reality in defense of an ideology or individual, but you will soon find yourself wrapped and bound in the basis of your own criticisms, which is the very definition of CONTROL. Think about it...

I don't believe anyone is saying that we shouldn't pay taxes for things like roads, military, schools, etc. which we all benefit from, or taking care of those who are the most vunerable in society who cannot do for themselves, but the concept of explicitly or overtly taking the EARNINGS forecefully of one individual and redistributing it to another who did not earn it, is wrong. Let me say that again... it is WRONG!

It does nothing for the recipient except make them more reliant on someone in the government to take more and more from someone else for their benefit...

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic" - Benjamin Franklin

If you do not feel this is wrong or your feel the government DESERVES to be trusted with this responsibility, tell me, why not let the government take ALL of your earnings and redistribute it as THEY see fit. To "extreme" an example for you? OK, examine what you are espousing a little further... at what point do you think the EXTRACTION of one individuals earnings (as opposed to their freedom to freely give it) and redistributed to another individual who did not earn it in the first place becomes repugnant to you... 40, 50, 60%.... 90%? After all, if a person EARNED $10,000,000 and the government TOOK 90%, they would still be a millionaire, SO WHY NOT? They would still make more than 20 times the average worker makes... right? Defend your position...

ANYONE can give 100% of THEIR earnings to whomever they want at any time should their conscious and pocketbook dictate it, WITHOUT LOSING BILLIONS in the administration of the same, but tell me why you feel it is OK to cede CONTROL over to the government in so many avenues of your life to the point where the "people" are willing to give up their freedoms of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, in order to rely on the very government who is failing them now? This puts them in a form of financial slavery, subject to the whim of the government and what "it" can do for them, as opposed to what they can do for themselves. It does NOTHING to further develope their initiative to lead better lives, but rather drags them down. HOW can you support such policies?

Please tell me WHY ANYONE should trust the government with ANY form of financial security when EVERY program enacted to provide the same has miserably failed. That's like hiring a financial advisor who has FAILED everytime to trust with your financial future... you wouldn't do it, WHY would you then let the government perform this function for you, or worse yet, if you argue that you wouldn't, then WHY would you subjugate your fellow citizens to that which you wouldn't do yourself?

American coming together? I agree we should all come together, but not to support policies that run counter to the tenants of this country (no matter who is President or what party) all in the illisionary name of "bi-partisianship" or "getting along", but rather to stand up and OPPOSE them... otherwise, you are complicit in the socialization of America, and the inevitable collapse, which has happened EVERYTIME it is tried... and in making this decision, this is what you make for your children and their childrens future... SUBJUGATION and reliance on the government...

Thanks, but no thanks...