Naitonalized Healthcare...

[sellnbama]

Justin,
Thanks once again for your service.It must be tough to serve under these politicians right now.Also a commander in chief who finds opposition by americans to his agenda a bigger threat than real threats.
America really has to reset itself,it's crazy that these insane liberals are in control when they are the extreme minority.

I just hope that their plan of amnesty for illegals (I'm sure just in time for 2010 election)truely fails!I wish the real heros of our freedom like yourself were more respected.I'd love for the military to have the fortune/fame that all actors and sportstars have.Now that would be a country that has it's priorities together.Thanks again.

[justin0419]

Bama,
Thanks for the kind words.  There's some crazy stuff going on right now with the wars and of course with other issues.  One of my friends at work just got nailed for a new program.  He's supposed to go to Afghanistan to help stand up some type of special team (not spec ops, but I'm not completely sure what their purpose is).  One of the criteria they used for selection was someone with useful language skills for the area.  My friend is from Pakistan so he got selected.  Most of the Individual Augmentee (now called GSA) assignments are for 6 months to 1 year.  This deal is for a 3-5 year period where my friend and his team will alternate being in country with another team. 
When you see footage of town hall meetings where all the constituents are vehemently opposed to what "their" elected official is doing, you have a severe problem where the gov't has lost touch with its people.  The media love affair is unlike any I've seen.  I just wish we could get a gov't that understands we need to wage an all out war on our debt and deficit.  Right now we've got about as much fiscal sense as the 15 yr old high school kid who thinks as long as there are checks in the book, there must be money in the acct. 
Hopefully our country will wake up before it's too late. 

[sellnbama]

Justin,
All too true.I know alot of our system is broken,like healthcare.But it would seem to me like you said the debt,the economy would come first.As long as we're so in debt we'll always be over a barrel with other nations.The fact that China is our biggest debt holder should scare the hell out of americans and demand drastic debt reduction.

I'm still mind boggled at anyone who thinks this rate of spending can keep up.I have 2 good friends in Iraq and they have no idea of the  going on here with politicians.It's a shame that the ones defending the country are treated as guard dogs instead of heros that stepped up to the plate.Any moron can tell lies and get elected,,but our military should be our pride, not corrupt washington or our broken 2 party system.I wonder how the numbers compare as to what congress spends verses what is spent on military.....Real numbers(not whitehouse  ).

[PositiveOutlook]

So after all the debate, the healthcare fiasco is now being orchestrated behind closed doors, with no Rep's / Ind's, just Dem's... 

NOT the open "transparent" process CANDIDATE Obama promised... add it to the list of his broken promises...  Anytime legislation is being orchestrated behind closed doors, the PEOPLE suffer...  Now you know WHY they do not want to post it for everyone to see before they vote...

No accountability to the people...

Just wait until people find out that it will cost them MORE for their insurance...

The biggest indicator that this will pass is that the PEOPLE don't want it...

[PositiveOutlook]

Case in point...

Harry Reid Admits Health Care Bill Will Cost $2 Trillion

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/15/harry_reid_admits_health_care_bill_will_cost_2_trillion.html

How much is TOO much?!

[propertymanager]

NO AMOUNT is too much for the socialists!  It's not their money!

[Nick Brian]

Obama's new health insurance policy has changed the view of the health service providers. It was signifacant change and essential to the american citizen.

[furnishedowner]

I am glad, too, that this country is finally doing the hard talking about health care that has been so desperately needed.

I am hoping for a Federal government option because:
1. The Fed . government already runs Medicare, VA Medical care, etc.  They know how to do a national program.

2.  If this option is left to the states it will create a big mess with, "But I just moved from that state, why can't I get my operation here?"  Imagine 50+ plans!

3.  I am afraid that some states will not want to cover people and there will be unforseen medical migrations and disruptions.  The same way that college students used to move to states that didn't have tuition in the junior colleges, like California.

4. I think a Federal option is the only thing that would keep insurance companies competitive. Or they will back-slide.

5.  I would like to see our tax money spent on health care provision rather than military.  How much money has been spent in the unjustified and unnecessary invasion of Iraq?  We can't be policeman to the world.  And it is up to the people of other countries to get rid of their own dictators.  Eventually they die, get killed, or overthrown.  Not our job!

Hoosier, Propertymanager, sellnbama and you other ravers:  I am not a Socialist. I have lived under that system, and believe me, we are not living under it.  I am a true-blue Capitalist, and I love our freedom here to create business without an excess of governmental regulation.

So let's just stop all the stupid name-calling.  That seems to be the problem..lots of hot air, and no other plans.  Change in health care is coming.  And no, we're not going back to the Dark Ages, Mike.  You'll just have to adjust to this more enlightened century.

Furnishedowner

[allagash]

The Fed . government already runs Medicare, VA Medical care, etc.  

They know how to do a national program.

-Mike

[christopher w]

I would like to see our tax money spent on health care provision rather than military.  How much money has been spent in the unjustified and unnecessary invasion of Iraq?

Furnished didn't you know that we invaded Iraq to protect the United States? 

I find it amazing that people can complain about the cost of covering Americans without health but turn a blind eye to the money and lives that Iraq has cost us.

[PositiveOutlook]

Christopher,

"Furnished didn't you know that we invaded Iraq to protect the United States?"

Yes, and that's why we've had so many attacks here in America since 2001...     You'll note Al Quada has had successful attacks in other countries since 2001, but NOT the USA...  Problem is, Christopher, Bin Ladin ALSO said Iraq was their central front...  Look at a middle east map, and think strategy...  you're smarter than this Christopher...

"I find it amazing that people can complain about the cost of covering Americans without health but turn a blind eye to the money and lives that Iraq has cost us."

I find it amazing that people complain about the country being protected by the military, which they have been successful at, and IS the federal governments role... health care IS NOT their constitutional role...  If you are going to say it is, then you are against the founding of the country, because those powers are NOT specifically enumerated in the Constitution...  You have to IGNORE the Constitution to do this... you cannot get around it....

[PositiveOutlook]

Furnishedowner,

"5.  I would like to see our tax money spent on health care provision rather than military.  How much money has been spent in the unjustified and unnecessary invasion of Iraq?  We can't be policeman to the world.  And it is up to the people of other countries to get rid of their own dictators.  Eventually they die, get killed, or overthrown.  Not our job!"

You won't get an argument from me on being the policeman of the world, however, think about this... the amount we spent on two wars over an eight period is LESS than all the bailouts... it also LESS than this years DEFICIT, which is over 1.5 TRILLION DOLLARS... It is also LESS than the TRILLIONS spent on INTEREST ALONE (with $650 BILLION for this year alone), since 2001...   

"Hoosier, Propertymanager, sellnbama and you other ravers:  I am not a Socialist. I have lived under that system, and believe me, we are not living under it.  I am a true-blue Capitalist, and I love our freedom here to create business without an excess of governmental regulation."

cap-i-tal-ism, Pronunciation [kap-i-tl-iz-uhm] 

–noun an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.


so·cial·ism  (sō'shə-lĭz'əm)   

- noun.  
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy


Based on your posting, you are a socialist...  But even IF you are PRACTICING capitalist for yourself, you want socialism for everyone else...  which I honestly don't understand...

Why would you want to promote dependance and subservience to the government instead of yourself???  That is a HORRIBLE life to want for anyone...  and the MORE you want people to rely LESS on themselves and MORE on the government, the MORE you CONDEMN them to a lesser-life...

So, like I said, you may PRACTICE capitalism for yourself, but based on your postings, you want socialism for everyone else...  or at least those you view as lesser than you (i.e. - those you think can't do for themselves, but you can in contrast)...

[PositiveOutlook]

What is the ULTIMATE irony, is that those of you who believe the government does it better (even though reality says different), then why is it that THEY, the government, get a higher salary than the private sector, with BETTER benefits, all at the cost of everyone else in the private sector...  without the private sector, there IS NO MONEY for the government...

But you are OK with giving Congress six-figure incomes (top 10% of income earners), while they work part-time (Tuesday - Thursday), and don't even READ THE BILLS that we are PAYING them to read...

Not to mention that these same politicians who excoriate the private sector for wasting money, while WASTING HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS (MORE than 1/2 a TRILLION) of dollars EVERY YEAR on INTEREST ONLY payments...  NOTHING towards the principle... and now we want to add MORE to the debt and MORE interest???...  What are you going to do when the INTEREST ALONE will top $1 TRILLION DOLLARS??? 

Think of the LUNACY of all this...  $700 BILLION for TARP, $800 BILLION for STIMULUS totalling 1.5 TRILLION, and the government WASTED over $650 BILLION in INTEREST alone this year, and there' s NO accountability for it...  and you want to support such incompetence by giving them MORE money, control and power???

And you COMPLAIN that they spent 915 Billion on two wars over an eight year period doing the job they are Constiutionally SUPPOSED to do, which is to keep us safe...      

While EVERY life lost is a tragedy, no matter which side...  To put it in perspective, the US lost HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS US troops during World War II in less time than we lost 4500 in eight years in TWO wars... looks like all that military spending in technology has paid off more than in just after-market products...   

We had more lives lost in one day on 9/11 than we did at Pearl Harbor... Have we forgotten??? 

Can you IMAGINE those who fought against tyranny and communism, socialism, etc..  how they feel to see so many people willing to lay down the sacrifice they made in order for people to become MORE dependant on the government for their existance???

These people KNOW what sacrifice is... they give their ALL...  imagine what an insult it is for them that so many today are willing to sacrifice so little and willing to TAKE so much from others??  The poorest among us have MORE than alot of those who have served in the past had...  They have internet, satellite TV, cell phones, $1000 rims on POS cars, sit aroud and collect a check (and I am not talking about the legitimate needy)...  but asking them to step up and pay for their own health insurance is anathema to most of you...

You are REMOVING every incentive for them to do better for them and their families by making them MORE dependant on the government...  and financially ENSLAVING everyone who IS stepping up in the process...  make all sorts of sense, doesn't it?...   

If that indeed makes sense to you... practice what you preach... teach your KIDS to get on the government dole early... learn to game the system, right?  Or is that level of subservience to the government only good for "other" people????   

[PositiveOutlook]

BTW, for all those who complain about the $915 Billion spent so far in two wars to protect us...

$915,000,000,000   (money spent on both wars)
/ 310,000,000          (citizens)
= $2,951                  (for every American)
/ 8 years                  (# of years for two wars)
= $369                     (per year per American citizen to keep them from being attacked again)

or $31 per month per American!

Sounds like money well spent considering we haven't had another attack... 


During the SAME eight years, the federal government COMPLETELY WASTED (money we will NEVER GET BACK) over $3.6 TRILLION DOLLARS in INTEREST ALONE on the national debt. Let's look at that again...


$3,600,000,000,000 (money COMPLETELY WASTED on INTEREST ALONEpayments)
   $915,000,000,000   (money spent on TWO wars protecting us from attack)


That works out to over $11,681 per American citizen or $1461 per citizen per year for the same 8 years...  TOTALLY WASTED on INTEREST ALONE on the national debt... 

So during the same 8 years, we spent FOUR TIMES the amount of two wars keeping us safe from another attack on INTEREST ALONE payments on the national debt!!!   

So now, we want to add TRILLIONS ($2 TRILLION according to Senate Majority leader Harry Reid) for healthcare which will still leave MILLIONS uninsured???

Noone has show how spending TRILLIONS on TOP of the existing system SAVES money...  you CAN'T, and the whole "deficit neutral" thing is BOGUS...  You'll note that they have not factored in the INTEREST to BORROW this money in their calculations...

And the most RIDICULOUS part???  You think this "solution" of spending TRILLIONS more on healthcare is going to cost LESS than the EXISTING "broken" system...   


ALL THIS WASTE and NO ACCOUNTABILITY... and now we want to give them MORE money, power and control over 1/6th of the economy????   You are DELUDING yourself and financially enslaving future generations (and your OWN kids, BTW) to boot...

[Hoosier4life2005]

I am glad, too, that this country is finally doing the hard talking about health care that has been so desperately needed.

I am hoping for a Federal government option because:
1. The Fed . government already runs Medicare, VA Medical care, etc.  They know how to do a national program.

LOLZ!  This alone right here, shows you have NO CLUE!  Seriously, they KNOW HOW to run these programs?  Omg, are we being punked or something?  Are you trying to make us laugh?  Those programs are the most fraud/corrupt/overspent programs EVER. Yet, they KNOW HOW to run them?!  LMFAO.. Thank you Furnished for the laugh.  (I assume you were kidding)