All Politicians and Business men are crooks

[PositiveOutlook]

True to character FDjake... more personal attacks... noone can say you're not consistent... BUT, just like with all the other times you try to demean my first deal (I've NEVER claimed real estate expertise, and it's getting old) IT HAS NOTHING to do with the topic on RANDOM RAMBLINGS...

And for YOU, of all people, to tell ANYONE on this site that they think they know "everything and his opinions are the only ones that matter", rings completely hollow...

Try addressing the actual posts, FDJake and you'lll save everyone time...

Next straw man tangent, FDJAke...

[fdjake]

Realestate consultant....

What brought you to this conclusion?????

[RealEstateConsultant]

I will explain in detail tonight. Have to do a couple things today. Usually when I get into this conversation I can go on for days.

I do enjoy this forum. I believe there is a lot of great people and information available here. I appreciate all the conversation from fdjake, positiveoutlook, and hoosier4life2005. I like hearing others view points. Actually makes you a stronger person. Cheers.

[propertymanager]

This entire thread is RIDICULOUS!  Real Estate Consultant clearly IS a business man or business woman and is calling him/herself a crook!  LOL!

I AM a businessman and I am certainly not a crook.  So, ALL businessmen are not crooks.  End of story!

Mike

[Hoosier4life2005]

I agree with Mike.  "All" Business men are obviously not crooks, as the thread says. 

Even though the question has evolved to... "Most"

Which I still disagree.

[RealEstateConsultant]

Hoosier is right. Of course not "all" just "most". The title was not for accuracy purposes. It was to emphasize a point. Obviously, I am a business man however I'm not calling myself anything as negative as what you suggested.

I am a positive person however I will still call a spade a spade. "Most" business owners and politicians are spades. And I don't mean literally. So, you dont have to say,

"Real Estate Consultant said he himself is a spade. Lol. I AM a businessman and I am certainly not a spade.  So, ALL businessmen are not spades.  End of story!"

I think you know the difference, Unless of course I am wrong??

Or to summarize briefly: There is some intuition involved with any statement including "All Politicians and business men are crooks."  Come on if that was the case, than we would all be in a inflationary period where our economy is 13-14 trillion in size and the federal reserve prints out approximately 1 trillion that gets leveraged by the banks so that all the super rich stay rich and the others that have something to say about it are either Ron Paul or are stuck arguing semantics with individuals who don't tackle any other problem than what is dished to them by the news stations or grammar teachers.   

[propertymanager]

Of course not "all" just "most".

Equally RIDICULOUS!  Obviously, you're just on here trolling.  Not all businessmen are crooks.  Not Most.  Not even a significant percentage.  Most businessmen are hard-working that make a living honestly and with integrity.  You haven't put forth one bit of evidence to the contrary and you are simply WRONG!

Mike

[Hoosier4life2005]

Of course not "all" just "most".

Equally RIDICULOUS!  Obviously, you're just on here trolling.  Not all businessmen are crooks.  Not Most.  Not even a significant percentage.  Most businessmen are hard-working that make a living honestly and with integrity.  You haven't put forth one bit of evidence to the contrary and you are simply WRONG!

Mike

I agree 100%. I dont get his agenda behind this thread (if there is one).  If "most" business people were crooks, wouldnt this mean that business would be terrible in the US because of lack of trust and just.. corruption?  Common sense tells me yes..

[RealEstateConsultant]

Of course not "all" just "most".

Equally RIDICULOUS!  Obviously, you're just on here trolling.  Not all businessmen are crooks.  Not Most.  Not even a significant percentage.  Most businessmen are hard-working that make a living honestly and with integrity.  You haven't put forth one bit of evidence to the contrary and you are simply WRONG!

Mike

I agree 100%. I dont get his agenda behind this thread (if there is one).  If "most" business people were crooks, wouldnt this mean that business would be terrible in the US because of lack of trust and just.. corruption?  Common sense tells me yes..

Ok, lets go with the consensus. Lets do this: Both of you go out and rent properties and flip houses on a handshake. Maybe you do that already. If you do let me know where you work and live because I would rather reside there. Maybe you dont use certain tools to hedge the liars and lies aka credit reports, contracts, lawyers.

Ill put everything on paper and use the specified tools. Than we'll talk again in a year.

If everyone is soo good than just do everything off a handshake over dinner. I would prefer doing that anyway.

[propertymanager]

Both of you go out and rent properties and flip houses on a handshake

Here's a newsflash!  When I rent properties, the tenants are NOT businessmen.   So that doesn't have anything to do with this thread.  Furthermore, if you're flipping houses to homeowners, that doesn't have anything to do with businessmen either.

Mike

[RealEstateConsultant]

If thats how you want to justify it but thats really weak. I don't even want to respond to that. You already know what I am going to say.....

You never flipped a property to an investor?

You never financed a property form a bank which is a business entity hence forth employees business men.

Reason 3............

Reason 4............

I conceded, your right with one comment (maybe), the tenants might not be business men however, you "rent properties" and so you must have expenses...aka capital improvements, maintenance fees, mortgage payments. If you don't, well done. Send me your E-book, I can learn from you. If you do, send me your E book and Ill confirm exactly what you disagreeing with here. The last time I checked they all require a business man on the other side. There is a transaction that is carried out for each expense.   

On a side note, since you like semantics: Thats funny you responded with "newsflash" just confirming what i said again...."Or to summarize briefly: There is some intuition involved with any statement including "All Politicians and business men are crooks."  Come on if that was the case, than we would all be in a inflationary period where our economy is 13-14 trillion in size and the federal reserve prints out approximately 1 trillion that gets leveraged by the banks so that all the super rich stay rich and the others that have something to say about it are either Ron Paul or are stuck arguing semantics with individuals who don't tackle any other problem than what is dished to them by the news stations or grammar teachers."

[PositiveOutlook]

RealEstateConsultant,

I have to agree with the others that all you are providing is opinion, not facts.  Trying to say all businessmen are crooks because they use contracts is ridiculous.  Contracts are used to make plain and clear what each party is agreeing to.  It is the only way a judge can adequately ejudicate a situation should a misunderstanding happen between two parties...

BTW, when I sign an agreement/contract with a customer, I do shake their hand, and I tell them that the paperwork is what we both agreed to, but my handshake backs it up.  Although it doesn't happen often (you learn to do things to avoid this), I've lost money to make a situation right with a customer, and not only did I get more work from them, but referrals, not because a judge told me to, but because I stood by that handshake.

A suggestion would be to join a Chamber of Commerce, and you will find many small business owners, who employ 70%  of the workers, and you will find more who are focused on making a good name for themselves and standing by the work than not...  People who purposely screw other people (i.e. - crooks) generally develop a negative reputation quickly, and that is a deathnell to small business.  This is one of the reasons alot of small businesses don't even argue you with you if you are not happy with their service... they'll either comp you or replace it for free BECAUSE they do not want to be viewed negatively...

THIS IS NOT A KNOCK, but an observation... One thing that life does teach you over time is that you are a product of the people you surround yourself with, and if it is your perspective that ALL or MOST businessmen are crooks, you need to take inventory of who you are spending time with...

[Vader]

Great post PO, I had to do a double take. Turning over a new leaf eh? Good stuff.

[PositiveOutlook]

No new leaf Vader, just responding to the post, like I usually do... must be a perception thing, or you may have just agreed with what was said...

Thanks for the "positive" remark though, I also did a double-take... 

[RealEstateConsultant]

Sorry been busy in the last couple days. Since many people on this thread cant come to grips with the truth. Consider this:
 
In 1994, the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago upended the conventional thought of general licentiousness (generated in large part by sex study pioneer Michael Kinsey). It showed 15 to 18 percent of "ever-married people have had a sexual partner other than their spouse while married."

Contracts being broken. Its not hard to take this number and apply it towards business people and politicians:

15-18% of ever married people break contracts. Furthermore, breaking contracts last time I checked is dishonest. So there are a lot of dishonest contract breakers out there. Many of those contract breakers are probably business men. Those business men probably do more than one business transaction.

Just calling it as it is. I do though feel disheartened about this human state of dishonesty and crookedness.