Bluemoon06,
"That is because these representatives are better at making these decisions than you are. We can call them an elite group. In fascism there is a group that rules also. The representative group is voted in by you but in fascism the rulers are appointed. Either way you are not smart enough to rule yourself. That is why they are the same."Well, that cleared it up...
In your example, one is voted in and one is appointed... then you conclude the point by saying they are the same because we are not smart enough to rule ourselves... They are not necessarily smarter than us in making the decisions, they are just given the legal role to do so... With a Representative Republic, we can object with removing their decision making capability by voting them out... fascism, not so much...
"Nobody ever freely gives any money. Where do you freely give money? Nowhere. You may say that you give money to the church freely, but no you don’t you give with the hope of getting into heaven. You don’t even give money to your dear old grandma freely. You do it so that you can feel better about yourself. "Giving freely, whether it is to make oneself "feel better" or not is the FREEDOM to do so or NOT, depsite the motivation... having it FORCIBLY removed through every-increasing taxation is not freedom, and the more it is done, the LESS free you are...
As Justin hit on, if you have trusted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you already know that money will not buy your way into heaven... Grace is a gift freely given and not of works lest any man should boast...
"It doesn't have to be Rush in the flesh."That was your supposition, I was just responding to it... If it is not Rush in the flesh, then your point about him being the
"centralized power" is mute...
"I have issue with people that believe a view…any view and don’t know why they believe it. It is the same as you probably see Obamaites as mindless followers. I feel the same way about them."I think alot of people who were caught up with the "hope and change" BS, and didn't pay attention to the reality definitely fall into this category, but sadly there is a growing number of people who want the government to take care of them instead of then doing it for themsleves, which history tells us is a BAD THING...
"For example I am not for healthcare because I don’t think we have defined the problem well enough to embark on a solution. In other words it won’t solve the problem. You don’t like healthcare because the government is doing it."The reason I am not for the government doing it, is that they CANNOT be trusted with this responsibility. They have not EARNED this trust due to their FAILURE to deal with the exisiting programs they currently have, which are
BANKRUPT!
Think about the lunacy of this... Obama says we are going to pay for his healthcare program by removing
$5-$600 BILLION DOLLARS of waste, fraud and abuse from MEDICARE... So the entity that it is responsible for this amount of waste, fraud and abuse, on an ANNUAL BASIS, we are now supposed to TRUST them to get this right with 1/6th of the ENTIRE ECONOMY??? There's a reason PT Barnum said -
"there is a sucker born every minute"... They have had DECADES and TRILLIONS of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse to try and get it right, and they STILL COULDN'T DO IT... and the answer is to let them do MORE???
I prefer to hold the government
ACCOUNTABLE - PROVE you can remove the $5-$600 BILLION in ANNUAL fraud, waste and abuse, and THEN we'll talk about whether or not you are trustworthy for the next step.
"You don’t like taxes because the government is taking your freedom, while if the church takes your offering they are not taking your freedom"The two are not analogous... the government TAKES the money through FORCED taxation, the Church RECEIVES money through the GIVING of tithes and offerings, which noone FORCES you to do... quite a difference... Last I checked, the church was not taking their money from your paycheck... If people had to send a CHECK every month to the government, they would be more up in arms regarding it....
"...you don’t want a representative to represent you if they are a government representative."If they are not representing us by first keeping their oath to protect the Constitution, then I will vote to have them removed, because they are NOT doing their job...
"You just don’t like the government."I am cautious when it comes to the government, with VERY good cause... our Founding Fathers WARNED us against this for VERY good reasons...
"That is like saying you don’t want to be raped by this guy but you don’t mind being raped by that guy. I say you either don’t like being raped or you do."A more apt analogy would be - Having the money
FORCIBLY taken from you by the government as being raped... GIVING the same money to the Church would be consentual... again, two totally different things...
"This is like being a government bigot."Aside from the inanity of the statement, playing along... I'd rather be a government bigot than a freedom-hater anyday...
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