Another Global Warming Confession!

[d_sbrown]

Furnished,

I am a global warming skeptic, and here is what I read when I see articles like the one that you just posted quotes from.

The article states--"the northwestern Antarctic Peninsula has heated up faster than almost any other place on earth... From 1951 to the present, the average annual air temperature in the region has increased by nearly five degrees.  Winter temperatures have soared about eleven degrees over the past six decades--five times the global average."

Here is a scientist with a particular study area that is extrapolating and comparing local data with the "well known global concensus"  that the warming is happening.  Much of the basis for these claims is founded in studies that are now being questioned and in some cases proven to wrong.  Other subsequent studies used these studies as a basis to start from to prove something that many of them wanted to believe anyway.
What I see in the global warming arena is scientist that are looking at data with an objective in mind.  Not impartially.

The author ended with a quote from the penguin researcher, Fraser:  "Here you have this unbelievably tough little animal, able to deal with anything, succumbing to the large-scale effect of our activities."

The unsupported assumption here is that it is due to our activities.   Why? 

"It's such a long-distance effect. The industrial nations to the north are having an impact that Adelies are being subjected to down here....these incredible animals have to take it in the neck because a bunch of humans can't get together to decide what to do about the planet".

Again, by his own quote, he seems to have an ax to grind.  I don't see proof of why it is our fault, I just see a scientist that has an emotional and biased look at the area that he studies.  The earth has never stayed in stasis.  Ocean currents change, warming and cooling happen.  We all know this,  But it is a long way from convincing proof for me to believe that it is largely manmade.  And then it really does raise eyebrows to learn that some of the science at the base of the theories that support this have very serious credibility problems.

My two cents from a skeptics point of view,

DB

[furnishedowner]

Okay, db, point well taken.  I agree that researcher was extrapolating out of his area of expertise.

It's nice to have an online critique without being called a left-wing wacko.

It just seems to me that I am encountering more and more studies and reports from researchers, in their own little arcane areas, that say the same things:  The climate is warming faster than we have ever recorded it before, and it is having a huge impact on the ecosystem here.

If this excessively fast change is the result of man-made activity, we must mitigate it.  As quickly as possible.  Otherwise we risk boiling the frog.  Which is our earth as we once knew it.

Furnishedowner

[propertymanager]

FurnishedOwner,

If the data supported the conclusion that the earth was rapidly warming, WHY DID THEY SHRED IT?  If the data was valid, these "scientists" would be pushing it in our face - not shredding it.  An the scandal isn't just in England, it's world wide, including right here in the USA!  IT'S A SCAM!

[furnishedowner]

So all the oceanographers, biologists, entomologists, hydrologists, zoologists, microbiologists, agronomists, etc., etc. world-wide are conspiring TOGETHER. 

They are slanting their studies and research to show global warming!  If they don't like their results, they SHRED them!

Thanks for enlightening us on this massive global conspiracy.  But how did they talk the over-wintering birds out of their usual migration?  How did those scientists push Spring forward in Europe?  How did they get all that  ice to melt instead of sticking around?

This vast conspiracy involves not just thousands of international scientists, even other species and life forms are obviously in on it!

Huh, they can fool some of us some of the time, but not all of us all of the time.  Propertymanager has found you out.

Furnishedowner

[propertymanager]

So all the oceanographers, biologists, entomologists, hydrologists, zoologists, microbiologists, agronomists, etc., etc. world-wide are conspiring TOGETHER. 

They are slanting their studies and research to show global warming!  If they don't like their results, they SHRED them!

You CLEARLY don't understand how this global warming scandal works.   I have posted a link to an article that explains how it works in some detail.  PLEASE read it and at least make an attempt to understand what's happened.  The people at the top of the global warming SCAM, THE VERY PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE UN'S GLOBAL WARMING DATA, were CAUGHT faking the data (and have admitted as much).  When asked through a Freedom of Information Act request to produce the data, they SHREDDED IT, instead of producing it.  Professor Philip Jones, the CRU's director, who is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports, has resigned in shame.  Let's try that again, THE MAN WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE TWO KEY SETS OF DATA USED BY THE UN'S IPCC TO DRAW UP ITS REPORTS HAD TO RESIGN IN SHAME.  Key people may even face criminal charges in connection with their destruction of the data.

The "scientists" (criminals) who were responsible for collecting and interpreting the data from "all the oceanographers, biologists, entomologists, hydrologists, zoologists, microbiologists, agronomists, etc., etc. world-wide" were caught faking the data and then shredded it instead of producing the data.

I know that you WANT man-made global warming to be real - but WAKE UP!  It's a scam - plain and simple.  The criminals have been caught!  They should spend the rest of their lives in prison for their crimes against humanity.  As I've been saying all along, this isn't about global warming - it's about control.  The socialists wanted to use global warming as an excuse to take over more of the country and exert further control worldwide.  They ALMOST succeeded!!!

[John_in_NC]

Here is a guy with an interesting view on global warming.

http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot#p/u/12/tLWRkwOzBx4

[gary cote]

super commentary he hits the nail on the head

[furnishedowner]

Absolute blather.  You have got to be kidding.  Droning on and on about pregnant women, children, prescription medication.  My eyes rolled back in my head.

Furnishedowner

[gary cote]

I believe you should continue putting your head in the sand and all this will soon pass you buy. How can you argue with this , he use's the pregnant women as an example if you didn't quite get it . He say's if you take care of the children of today they will have the knowledge to raise their own properly not to hard to figure out.   and as for global warming.... well we all know were that bullshit is heading.

[John_in_NC]

Furnished Owner, can you give some context to your post?

I have no intention of arguing so please don't be defense, I have much better things to do. I have never argued with anyone on this forum and I have been here a long time.

I am more intrigued as to what your thought processes are that is all. It is not political, more philosophical.

Thanks

John

[furnishedowner]

John
Was it the YouTube talking head guy that you wanted to know why I didn't like?

Or is it Global Warming?  I don't want to argue either.  But other posters' different viewpoints have often made me ponder things more.

We are a very diverse group.  With the only common thread being an interest in some facet of real estate.  But we differ in age, location, income, education, religion and politics.  And more.

Probably like you, I tend to be most comfortable around people just like me.  But on this site, no one is just like me!  In fact, I haven't found one other poster yet who does furnished rentals like me.  Politically, you could say I am one of the few liberal-thinking people who post regularly.

So here we get to have our viewpoints challenged by all other smart brains.  Or we get our knuckles rapped for making some half-baked statement.  It just goes with posting on this site.

Now I am being philosophical like you.

Furnishedowner

[propertymanager]

So here we get to have our viewpoints challenged by all other smart brains.  Or we get our knuckles rapped for making some half-baked statement.

Well then, how about stopping making those wacko socialist half-baked statements.  A little education would go a LONG way!