It's a New Record! FORTY MILLION AMERICANS ON FOOD STAMPS

[phlemboy]

It seems to me the problem is not with welfare/food stamps programs. The problem is the fact that people are allowed to make it a way of life FOREVER. There should be a time limit of 2 or 3 yrs. Max.  In that time you need to get trained for job. You can complete an Associates degree in 2 - 3 yrs. starting from scratch (I've done it).. You can train to be a nurse or to work in an office. You can even go to a trade school and learn to be an electrician, plumber, carpenter. You can't tell me that it can't be done. I went to school with a single mother of 4. She was on welfare to get her through. They paid for day-care while she was in school. Make no mistake, she was a busy woman and it was hard, but she made it. She's an nurse making about $65K/yr. As long as the govt. is giving, there will be takers. They need to be cut off at some point.. I mean really, if you can't it get together here, where the hell are you gonna go? This is the easiest place in the world to succeed. As far as why this is allowed to go on, I think the answer lies in the fact that those 40 million recipients = 40 million votes to the one who promises to keep them happy.. That's about it in a nutshell..... I think..

[jfpen]

It seems to me the problem is not with welfare/food stamps programs. The problem is the fact that people are allowed to make it a way of life FOREVER. There should be a time limit of 2 or 3 yrs. Max.  In that time you need to get trained for job. You can complete an Associates degree in 2 - 3 yrs. starting from scratch (I've done it).. You can train to be a nurse or to work in an office. You can even go to a trade school and learn to be an electrician, plumber, carpenter. You can't tell me that it can't be done. I went to school with a single mother of 4. She was on welfare to get her through. They paid for day-care while she was in school. Make no mistake, she was a busy woman and it was hard, but she made it. She's an nurse making about $65K/yr. As long as the govt. is giving, there will be takers. They need to be cut off at some point.. I mean really, if you can't it get together here, where the hell are you gonna go? This is the easiest place in the world to succeed. As far as why this is allowed to go on, I think the answer lies in the fact that those 40 million recipients = 40 million votes to the one who promises to keep them happy.. That's about it in a nutshell..... I think..

I agree that the "Safety Net" has turned into a "Hammock" for many. In interviewing prospective tenants, I've had many that were on "disability". There were only a few that I could tell actually were disabled, physically or mentally. A large number are milking the system. The people getting screwed are the working poor. They hate this more than anyone. There was a time where people who took a handout were embarrassed about it and wasted no time getting off of it. The scene in "Cinderella Man" where the main character returns the money he got from welfare is classic. He viewed it as loan to get he and his family through tough times. When he earned some money, he paid it back. I'm for helping the truly needy but lets get rid of the fraudulent abuse of the system.

JP

[John_in_NC]

I'm for helping the truly needy but lets get rid of the fraudulent abuse of the system.

JP

The needy wouldn't need our(taxpayers) help if we didn't loot everyone at the threat of force (by gunpoint). We would be a richer country with richer PRIVATE charities with highly efficient money donated by the richer society directed at the needy. Don't you think that would work many times better and benefit everyone?

It just makes me sick to my stomach to see quotes like the one above, because I know that is how most of society sees it, though it is plain wrong.

[Bluemoon06]

loot everyone at the threat of force (by gunpoint).

What?

[John_in_NC]

Don't pay your taxes, you will have a trial and lose. When they come with the arrest warrant to your home, they WILL have guns. When you are locked up, they WILL have guns! So, in the end, it's the threat of force by guns that make you pay.

The original US Government didn't believe in using the threat of force. That threat has to exist in statist society though, it's the only way it will function.

[Bluemoon06]

That is only civilized.  In a civilized country we follow the laws or they come after you with guns.  If we can do whatever we want to we end up just like Somalia.  We have to be made to play well with others.  That means that if I go into your house and steal your stuff they come after me with guns, if I don't pay my taxes they come after me with guns.  We need to follow the law or they come after us with guns.  Are you saying they should not enforce the laws with guns?  We should only follow the laws we agree with?  Do you think that would work?

[John_in_NC]

No in a free society force is only used against criminals.

Not to take your property. How can you call yourself a free society when you use force to take another's rightfully owned property? Totally different concept than against a criminal.

[Bluemoon06]

Are you saying that a person that does not pay his taxes is not a criminal?

[John_in_NC]

The subject was force, or the threat of and when it is appropriate. If you think it is appropriate for the government to use force to take your property, then freedom and liberty must be meaningless to you.

[Bluemoon06]

The subject was force, or the threat of and when it is appropriate. If you think it is appropriate for the government to use force to take your property, then freedom and liberty must be meaningless to you.

No you said

in a free society force is only used against criminals.

I said that if you don't pay taxes you are a criminal.

[John_in_NC]

The subject was force, or the threat of and when it is appropriate. If you think it is appropriate for the government to use force to take your property, then freedom and liberty must be meaningless to you.

No you said

in a free society force is only used against criminals.

I said that if you don't pay taxes you are a criminal.