Is Rich Dad Poor Dad coaching worth the money?

[tbodley74]

 I signed up the the high priced coaching program, which I can still cancel once they send me all the materials for the coaching program. As long as it is within three days, after receiving the items through mail.

I haven't went through the coahing program yet. Should I get my money back ASAP or is it worth the $2,000 plus dollars? Would I do a lot better talking to a coach or just reading books and listening to audio tapes? Anyone with experience in this would be helpful as I could use heads up with what I am getting in to.

[taxlienadvisor]

here is the deal Bodley, and I hope this info is of help to you...

you should always do what your emotions tell you is right, however it is my strong recommendation that you move forward with the refund, and here is why...

I worked 4 years for the top "tax lien & deed Guru" - Ted Thomas, so I know what I'm talking about... he has also spoke at Robert Kiyosakis events several times, and comes back to the office with like $200,000 - $350,000 in total sales... these guys are the best in the business at marketing, but they don't give a flyin' %@$& if you make any money or do any deals...

I also know how the Rich Dad coaching program works....first of all, the $2,000 is just a set up for the next level... as soon as you start, and start asking questions, they say "oh, you need to be in the blah,blah,blah class...that class is $8,000" ... then when you get to that tier they say,..."oh, you need to be in the "I'm about to get you to mortgage your own house class" - and that class is $25,000 for someone to fly out to your city and spend 3 DAYS with you....crazy, right??

when I worked for Ted, same thing...he pitched $2,000 Quickstart, it was 2dvd's, 6 cd's, and a 200 page guidebook....for $2,000....then I'd call them a week or 2 later and sell the 1-1 coaching for $6500...or the Mastermind with Ted program for $10,000....

the $6500 got you 1 hour with a coach a week for 8 weeks....then after that it was like once a month that you talked with them....in all of the 4 years I was there...I never heard of one person who even made 1 deal...granted it could have been that they didn't put the time in, but that's some lousy odds....

I only knew 1 person who succeeded, and this is an ironic story....

I began calling a list of people after of the events he brought back "leads" from...I call them leads because he didn't care about the $2,000 deal...he just wanted the "lead" to sell the $10,000 deal....

anyways, i called this guy Paul, and he was nice and said "you know Michael, I think i need to return my course." - I said that's cool Paul, and gave him the address to send it back. Yes, i sold the material and coaching, but never pressured anybody into doing it...

anyways, a few days later I called him up because he was from Billerica, MA, and I had grown up in Lynnfield, MA, which was only about 30 mins away...and he seemed like one of those really nice guys when i previously spoke to him...

So since we had a natural location repoor, so I told him i was going to help him get started so I could in return get the Kharma later on in life..and he was excited...I couldnt do it on company time...so we agreed to get together a few times in the evening after I got off...he wanted to buy the "tax deeds"..so we probably only had like 2 or 3 meeting for maybe like 4 hours....

I told him "look here is the basics, and this is all you really need to know to get started, the rest of the learning has to be from experience, research, and asking questions,..something they can't really teach in the books....so I'll get you started, and the rest is up to you..."

I told him, he's got to call the county, get the list, get the rules, always look at the property, make friends with a realtor who can sell the property (realtors are usually starving anyways), try to get in with a few of the regulars at the sales, go to a few sales first, make sure you aren't using all of the money you need to live on if using your own money, etc, etc....)

a few months later, he called me...he was so happy, he had a bought a decent deal, not a great deal, but a decent deal...and he had done it all by himself...I pointed him in the right direction, but HE DID ALL the work... he put like $20,000 more into it to fix up the inside (you hardly ever get to see the inside at tax sales)..and he ended up profiting $40,000 at the end of the day...

so here was a guy, who had been laid off from the factory he had worked at for over 35 years, who had no real estate experience, was coming up on being really on hard times financially with no income coming in...and he took the initiative & believed in himself and bought a property and made just under what he was making a year at his old job....and all I did was point him in the right direction, (and probably saved him another $6500, cause if I hadn't sold him, somebody else would have)

he end ended up doing 3 deals total that year and made like $80,000 - $90,000 - and tax slaes are far and few between in MA and limited amount of properties at the sales, and he still did awesome!

in the 4 years I worked there, he was the only guy I spoke with that started making money...sure there were testimonials..but i never met them, and they could have been from God knows when...

To finish this story...(which at this point is more like a novel to be sold on the bookshelf) - i will tell what led me to quit, and this may shed some light on what these guys are really like behind the scenes....

I sold a lady a package deal for $8500, for a workshop, course, the whole nine yards...she was really sweet...she was from Ontario, and wanted to buy liens from home on computer....

once she spoke the coach, she still had 3 days to decide if she wanted a refund...some of the coaches were pathetic, and that was one of those she spoke to...she called me up and said "michael, I didn't get a good feeling from the coach, can I get a refund?" - I said absolutely, i will personally see to it that you're money is returned to you right away...

a long story short...he wouldnt give her a refund even though she had a signed contract saying he had to... finally, after I went to him several times, he agreed to pay her in monthly installments over the next 24 months...are you &$^&$@# kiddin' me?? - not only was it unfair to her, but he made me to look like a schmuck...

I left that week, and never looked back....

I hope this information has reached you and may guide you to the decision that is in your best interest ... I wish you a very prosperous year!!

Oh, and if any of you have made it this far...I now own a much more ethical business...(see my signature)

Good Night!

[tbodley74]

Wow! I definately appreciate the cold hard truth you have told abou this program. They program specialist was selling me this get out of the rat race talk. I'm not going to lie I do want to get out of the rat race. Who doesn't want out of the same old everyday 9 to 5 lifestyle going nowhere? The guy made me feel that they was doing me a favor and that I can cancel the coaching progam within three days. I asked how many people have been successful with the program. They said 10,000 people are successful with the coaching program in 80 countries.  I admit the things I read in the book did make sense and opened my eyes a bit how life is in the world between the rich and the poor. As a matter of fact some of the stuff hit home with me and my real life situations growing up and even now.

I will be getting my refund back if they actually give it back. Oh and one more thing they called me for the introduction interview Monday telling me about the program and all sound good until without warning they hit me with the $2,000 price tag for the course and that threw me by surprise and the money was due right there on the spot using my credit card. All I knew was I could use some some good insight how to acheive financial freedom and how to payoff all my debts. By the way, do I have to wait to get the material to  cancel within three days or can I cancel now before my stuff gets here?

here is the deal Bodley, and I hope this info is of help to you...

you should always do what your emotions tell you is right, however it is my strong recommendation that you move forward with the refund, and here is why...

I worked 4 years for the top "tax lien & deed Guru" - Ted Thomas, so I know what I'm talking about... he has also spoke at Robert Kiyosakis events several times, and comes back to the office with like $200,000 - $350,000 in total sales... these guys are the best in the business at marketing, but they don't give a flyin' %@$& if you make any money or do any deals...

I also know how the Rich Dad coaching program works....first of all, the $2,000 is just a set up for the next level... as soon as you start, and start asking questions, they say "oh, you need to be in the blah,blah,blah class...that class is $8,000" ... then when you get to that tier they say,..."oh, you need to be in the "I'm about to get you to mortgage your own house class" - and that class is $25,000 for someone to fly out to your city and spend 3 DAYS with you....crazy, right??

when I worked for Ted, same thing...he pitched $2,000 Quickstart, it was 2dvd's, 6 cd's, and a 200 page guidebook....for $2,000....then I'd call them a week or 2 later and sell the 1-1 coaching for $6500...or the Mastermind with Ted program for $10,000....

the $6500 got you 1 hour with a coach a week for 8 weeks....then after that it was like once a month that you talked with them....in all of the 4 years I was there...I never heard of one person who even made 1 deal...granted it could have been that they didn't put the time in, but that's some lousy odds....

I only knew 1 person who succeeded, and this is an ironic story....

I began calling a list of people after of the events he brought back "leads" from...I call them leads because he didn't care about the $2,000 deal...he just wanted the "lead" to sell the $10,000 deal....

anyways, i called this guy Paul, and he was nice and said "you know Michael, I think i need to return my course." - I said that's cool Paul, and gave him the address to send it back. Yes, i sold the material and coaching, but never pressured anybody into doing it...

anyways, a few days later I called him up because he was from Billerica, MA, and I had grown up in Lynnfield, MA, which was only about 30 mins away...and he seemed like one of those really nice guys when i previously spoke to him...

So since we had a natural location repoor, so I told him i was going to help him get started so I could in return get the Kharma later on in life..and he was excited...I couldnt do it on company time...so we agreed to get together a few times in the evening after I got off...he wanted to buy the "tax deeds"..so we probably only had like 2 or 3 meeting for maybe like 4 hours....

I told him "look here is the basics, and this is all you really need to know to get started, the rest of the learning has to be from experience, research, and asking questions,..something they can't really teach in the books....so I'll get you started, and the rest is up to you..."

I told him, he's got to call the county, get the list, get the rules, always look at the property, make friends with a realtor who can sell the property (realtors are usually starving anyways), try to get in with a few of the regulars at the sales, go to a few sales first, make sure you aren't using all of the money you need to live on if using your own money, etc, etc....)

a few months later, he called me...he was so happy, he had a bought a decent deal, not a great deal, but a decent deal...and he had done it all by himself...I pointed him in the right direction, but HE DID ALL the work... he put like $20,000 more into it to fix up the inside (you hardly ever get to see the inside at tax sales)..and he ended up profiting $40,000 at the end of the day...

so here was a guy, who had been laid off from the factory he had worked at for over 35 years, who had no real estate experience, was coming up on being really on hard times financially with no income coming in...and he took the initiative & believed in himself and bought a property and made just under what he was making a year at his old job....and all I did was point him in the right direction, (and probably saved him another $6500, cause if I hadn't sold him, somebody else would have)

he end ended up doing 3 deals total that year and made like $80,000 - $90,000 - and tax slaes are far and few between in MA and limited amount of properties at the sales, and he still did awesome!

in the 4 years I worked there, he was the only guy I spoke with that started making money...sure there were testimonials..but i never met them, and they could have been from God knows when...

To finish this story...(which at this point is more like a novel to be sold on the bookshelf) - i will tell what led me to quit, and this may shed some light on what these guys are really like behind the scenes....

I sold a lady a package deal for $8500, for a workshop, course, the whole nine yards...she was really sweet...she was from Ontario, and wanted to buy liens from home on computer....

once she spoke the coach, she still had 3 days to decide if she wanted a refund...some of the coaches were pathetic, and that was one of those she spoke to...she called me up and said "michael, I didn't get a good feeling from the coach, can I get a refund?" - I said absolutely, i will personally see to it that you're money is returned to you right away...

a long story short...he wouldnt give her a refund even though she had a signed contract saying he had to... finally, after I went to him several times, he agreed to pay her in monthly installments over the next 24 months...are you &$^&$@# kiddin' me?? - not only was it unfair to her, but he made me to look like a schmuck...

I left that week, and never looked back....

I hope this information has reached you and may guide you to the decision that is in your best interest ... I wish you a very prosperous year!!

Oh, and if any of oyu have made it this far...I now own a much more ethical business... SEOAmerica - providing 100% Performance Based SEO services for any type of business, in any state, looking to tap into any market either in America or international...

just go to Google and type "seo services in America" - got the #6 position, and soon to be #1... you'll see us around everywhere if you are looking for that service in the near future

Good Night!

[furnishedowner]

Cancel, cancel, cancel!  Cancel in writing, on the phone and through your credit card company!

Just use books, tapes and the mentors here.  Go find yourself a local mentor.  If you look, you will find.

Everyone here has been telling you how to get started.  Spending your money for a guru course (on credit) is not the way.

Furnishedowner

[tbodley74]

I plan to do just that tomorrow. I hope they give me that refund without the hassle. I can sell them stories like they sold me as to why I want a refund. I only did at first to see for myself what the coaching program was all about.

Cancel, cancel, cancel!  Cancel in writing, on the phone and through your credit card company!

Just use books, tapes and the mentors here.  Go find yourself a local mentor.  If you look, you will find.

Everyone here has been telling you how to get started.  Spending your money for a guru course (on credit) is not the way.

Furnishedowner

[taxlienadvisor]

no need to thank me, I can only hope the advice I have offered turns out to be good advice.

The program specialist (these sales titles get better and better everyday) was saying get out of the rat race, because that's the way they are taught, it's a great sales tactic I must say, and that's the only way they can sell these kinds on "investments" - terms like... "would a few deals like I just mentioned be of financial help to you?" or "what would your family think if you brought home a few deals like the one I just mentioned?" - or - "could you use a little more security in your life?" -

everybody wants this, and that's why they get so many people to sign up... so no worries. Yes, the things in the book make sense & some of the information is probably good. But you just said it, the whole program is set around believing in yourself, the rest is up to you. pick the avenue you feel you are interested in and works best for what you are trying to accomplish... for example, you probably wouldn't want to start with something like "buying notes" - these can be one of the most profitable, however they carry probably the top risk of all the RE investments... so you would want to start with something more secure.

If you are in debt, it sounds like the last thing you need to so is throw another $2,000 on your card. I would do the refund in the morning. You will get the money back, I didn't mean to scare you so you wouldn't fall asleep, however that was a true story the way I told it, and I thought you might want to hear without sugar coating.

Besides, there is always the dreaded words to salespeople... the "chargeback" - if they  mess around with you at all, call your credit card company and do a chargeback,.. the cc company does not want to lose you as a customer, and will refund your money pretty much immediately, if Kiyosaki's office plays games with you, which I'm pretty sure they won't...

here is an example of what the "rich dad poor dad" concept is about...you said, "if they actually give it back to me,"--- forgot that, you are getting that damn money back, if that is what you want. get that word out of your vocabulary, and replace it with "when" - "when i get my refund back, I'll use that money in a more positive function or investment...

same thing with the real estate...it's not "If I'm able to do just one deal this year." - it's "it will will be nice WHEN i do my first deal this year... and to do this, i recommend getting a few books (as many others on this site recommend) and reading them slowly, preferably with a highlighter and pen..write down things that you need clarification on while you are reading, and post them on here, you'll get unbiased and experienced answers from people just wanting to help...something you'll never get from any Guru office, especially the heavy hitting seminar ones...

then do what Paul did... write down a plan, and review it often during spare time... work the steps in progress as best you can, learn from this site, see if you can meet others in your area who may be able to offer direction or assistance, go to a sale, or auction, or meeting...join some local meetings ((there is a cool site I know of, however I can't remember at the moment, please remind me tomorrow and I'll shoot it over)),

"do I have to wait to cancel" - you can do anything you truly want to... you can cancel that course in the morning, and you can certainly do your first deal or investment in RE if you really want. Does a person who has never drank shots of vodka have an easy time shooting like 4 or 5 shots down?..NO, they have to work at it and then with practice they can do doubles, and then triples, and so on...((I know, a strange reference, but i used to drink really heavy before i quit..then one day I said "^#$@ this, I'm not gonna say if I ever stop drinking..I'm just gonna stop and that's that!)) - so If I can drink for 12 years straight, morning, day, and evening...you too can make some monies in RE...

just be patient, positive, and seek the advice and help of others who can help you, just to help you...and get that Damn $2,000 back!

Good luck to you...you can always send me some questions, however i really just know some about deeds and liens...however, a lot of it is developing an overall plan to avoid pitfalls... then you need to research, get a few opinions of people who you consider to be "trusted advisors" - and do the best you can... beyond that, it is OK to pay someone for their 1-1 help...however I just know you can do a hell of a lot better than a rich dad coach

-Mike

[tbodley74]

Let me rephrase that. It's not program specialist.  It is Kory Kemp, Program Director. My bad. Still the same thing though. Anyway did they ever tell one of these lines? "You have to get into debt to get out of debt." What they were saying is that to get out of bad debt  you would need to invest your money into good debt that would create passive income to payoff those bad debts. I can't wait til 9 am comes. That is about the only time I can do anything. Until then all I can do is think about the refund. If not Robert is not good enough I will take my chances at the local REIA meeting. Either that or seek advice from a financial advisor.

no need to thank me, I can only hope the advice I have offered turns out to be good advice.

The program specialist (these sales titles get better and better everyday) was saying get out of the rat race, because that's the way they are taught, it's a great sales tactic I must say, and that's the only way they can sell these kinds on "investments" - terms like... "would a few deals like I just mentioned be of financial help to you?" or "what would your family think if you brought home a few deals like the one I just mentioned?" - or - "could you use a little more security in your life?" -

everybody wants this, and that's why they get so many people to sign up... so no worries. Yes, the things in the book make sense & some of the information is probably good. But you just said it, the whole program is set around believing in yourself, the rest is up to you. pick the avenue you feel you are interested in and works best for what you are trying to accomplish... for example, you probably wouldn't want to start with something like "buying notes" - these can be one of the most profitable, however they carry probably the top risk of all the RE investments... so you would want to start with something more secure.

If you are in debt, it sounds like the last thing you need to so is throw another $2,000 on your card. I would do the refund in the morning. You will get the money back, I didn't mean to scare you so you wouldn't fall asleep, however that was a true story the way I told it, and I thought you might want to hear without sugar coating.

Besides, there is always the dreaded words to salespeople... the "chargeback" - if they  mess around with you at all, call your credit card company and do a chargeback,.. the cc company does not want to lose you as a customer, and will refund your money pretty much immediately, if Kiyosaki's office plays games with you, which I'm pretty sure they won't...

here is an example of what the "rich dad poor dad" concept is about...you said, "if they actually give it back to me,"--- forgot that, you are getting that damn money back, if that is what you want. get that word out of your vocabulary, and replace it with "when" - "when i get my refund back, I'll use that money in a more positive function or investment...

same thing with the real estate...it's not "If I'm able to do just one deal this year." - it's "it will will be nice WHEN i do my first deal this year... and to do this, i recommend getting a few books (as many others on this site recommend) and reading them slowly, preferably with a highlighter and pen..write down things that you need clarification on while you are reading, and post them on here, you'll get unbiased and experienced answers from people just wanting to help...something you'll never get from any Guru office, especially the heavy hitting seminar ones...

then do what Paul did... write down a plan, and review it often during spare time... work the steps in progress as best you can, learn from this site, see if you can meet others in your area who may be able to offer direction or assistance, go to a sale, or auction, or meeting...join some local meetings ((there is a cool site I know of, however I can't remember at the moment, please remind me tomorrow and I'll shoot it over)),

"do I have to wait to cancel" - you can do anything you truly want to... you can cancel that course in the morning, and you can certainly do your first deal or investment in RE if you really want. Does a person who has never drank shots of vodka have an easy time shooting like 4 or 5 shots down?..NO, they have to work at it and then with practice they can do doubles, and then triples, and so on...((I know, a strange reference, but i used to drink really heavy before i quit..then one day I said "^#$@ this, I'm not gonna say if I ever stop drinking..I'm just gonna stop and that's that!)) - so If I can drink for 12 years straight, morning, day, and evening...you too can make some monies in RE...

just be patient, positive, and seek the advice and help of others who can help you, just to help you...and get that Damn $2,000 back!

Good luck to you...you can always send me some questions, however i really just know some about deeds and liens...however, a lot of it is developing an overall plan to avoid pitfalls... then you need to research, get a few opinions of people who you consider to be "trusted advisors" - and do the best you can... beyond that, it is OK to pay someone for their 1-1 help...however I just know you can do a hell of a lot better than a rich dad coach

-Mike

[andydallas]

I'm really lost, a few days ago you said you didn't have any money to buy the rich dad book, so several people, me included, said go by the used book, you said you didn't have enough to buy the used book, so we said go to the library,,,,now suddenly you have spent $2k for the rich dad coaching?????

 

[taxlienadvisor]

there is no sense if calling him out at this point, no good can come from that... let's just try and help him through the situation he is currently in...we can't change the past...

you have to understand, these salespeople who work for these gurus are good salespeople to begin with, and on top of that they get some of the top sales training available...

Tbodley didn't have the money, which is why he said he was thrown a curveball when they said "you must pay now!"

this is a good lesson for anybody out there thinking about hooking up with any gurus office... I always tell people, you have to be extremely careful when talking to them on the phone, or going to a seminar...

why do you think you can attend a 4-day Robert Kiyosaki event for FREE?? - what do you think is going to happen??...even if you convince yourself 100% that you are not going to spend any money, you are still at risk of getting sucked in because of the marketing techniques they use...

My boss would come back with 150 new customers sometimes that each paid $2,000...do the math....I used to work 5 day weeks, probably only did about 3-4 hours of real work each day...and still would go home with 4-$7,000 paycheck...so you put that kind of money in the hands of someone...and they'll say anything, and sell to anybody who they can make a commission off of....

[tbodley74]

That is my point exactly. I wasn't planning on spending 1k upfront. they wanted me to pay that upfront and they did use their slick marketing technique to get hooked in. Everything sounded so good and legit the way they were talking until I fell for it like everyone else. One of the people at rich dad called me today to see how things were going and I told him I had called earlier to cancel. We talked for like 20 to 30 minutes about my life situation and he pressed hard that I consider sticking with the coaching program. I understand where the guy was coming from as to why I need to do something differnt to change my life. The thing I have run in to some bad financial problems that I need that money back after all. I can try the books if they are just as good or better than the coaching program. The guy was talking like he could help me go and get my first real estate deal right now. He also tried to work a payment plan to keep m with the program. The bottom line is I said no and my refund will be back in 7 days he said.

there is no sense if calling him out at this point, no good can come from that... let's just try and help him through the situation he is currently in...we can't change the past...

you have to understand, these salespeople who work for these gurus are good salespeople to begin with, and on top of that they get some of the top sales training available...

Tbodley didn't have the money, which is why he said he was thrown a curveball when they said "you must pay now!"

this is a good lesson for anybody out there thinking about hooking up with any gurus office... I always tell people, you have to be extremely careful when talking to them on the phone, or going to a seminar...

why do you think you can attend a 4-day Robert Kiyosaki event for FREE?? - what do you think is going to happen??...even if you convince yourself 100% that you are not going to spend any money, you are still at risk of getting sucked in because of the marketing techniques they use...

My boss would come back with 150 new customers sometimes that each paid $2,000...do the math....I used to work 5 day weeks, probably only did about 3-4 hours of real work each day...and still would go home with 4-$7,000 paycheck...so you put that kind of money in the hands of someone...and they'll say anything, and sell to anybody who they can make a commission off of....

[nsu1997]

 

I won't even try to figure out why you...ahhh never mind, I digress...

By no means am I looking to discourage you from getting a good, solid REI education...I'm a believer that education is the KEY to wealth (because you don't know what you don't know). There really are some spectacular fairly priced training opportunities out there literally at a fraction of the price. Kiyosaki's training is priced wayyyy high because his name is attached...but trust me there's nothing they can teach you that you won't learn at a $1000 Ron Legrand boot camp.

The key is to start small, maybe with a good REI book or 2, then maybe get a used home study program with some audios & a manual, then do a deal or 2, then go to a good reasonably priced live training, do more deals, then step on the gas and go all out (commercial training, etc).

Some of the most successful investors I know spend tens of thousands a year on continuing education. It's worth it because they get something out of it.

But Kiysaki's Rich Dad training? 

[taxlienadvisor]

stay away from Legrand too...

Legrand and Thomas are like the old G's of real estate seminars... they've been working together for like 20 years...same old scene.... get you in at $49...then $399...then $2,000..and so on...

Let me say this, and then I've said enough... My boss used to sell Government information...let me say that again.."Government Information"... that information is 100% free to the public

He sold FREE information in 12 hour dvd or webinar courses for $3500...

pick an arena...go to Google...search the keyword...and find as much info as you can...or get some books...

good job on getting your refund back!

[taxlienadvisor]

here's a heads up Bodley for your future travels...

anytime you hear someone tell you "trust me", and they are not a close friend or a family member.... beware.

trust is something that is earned...not asked for...

If I have a salesperson in front of me, no matter what they are selling me...a car, jewelry, a cruise, even a computer, etc...I immediately stop the conversation, advise them that they need to back to sales school, and walk the other way...

that is the biggest no-no

[tbodley74]

What is this Ron Legrand boot camp and how does it work? Rich dad is pricey, which is why I quit the coaching. The coaching came as part of a Rich Dad Power pack. I still have the FREE power pack but with the soon to be gone coaching program part of the pack.

I won't even try to figure out why you...ahhh never mind, I digress...

By no means am I looking to discourage you from getting a good, solid REI education...I'm a believer that education is the KEY to wealth (because you don't know what you don't know). There really are some spectacular fairly priced training opportunities out there literally at a fraction of the price. Kiyosaki's training is priced wayyyy high because his name is attached...but trust me there's nothing they can teach you that you won't learn at a $1000 Ron Legrand boot camp.

The key is to start small, maybe with a good REI book or 2, then maybe get a used home study program with some audios & a manual, then do a deal or 2, then go to a good reasonably priced live training, do more deals, then step on the gas and go all out (commercial training, etc).

Some of the most successful investors I know spend tens of thousands a year on continuing education. It's worth it because they get something out of it.

But Kiysaki's Rich Dad training? 

[taxlienadvisor]

I thought we went over this... they all work the same

they start small, sometimes even call it "the incredible free offer", then a little more, and a little more

If you really want somebody to teach you how, walk you through the deals, have an interest in you actually making money because he makes money as well, and get something accomplished

then contact Michael Quarels from this site... the price is around your budget..

however, I feel you are probably not ready yet...but you can still give him a contact and see what's up...