Will employers look at you without.......?

[Hoosier4life2005]

Okay, heres what I think.

Tboldley, i think the reason you might not be  able to find a job is because maybe.. just maybe..  you dont stick out, your not unique.  How do I get that opinion?  Well.... I dont think you think for yourself.

Bluemoon stated a opinion about the military (Im a Ron Paul Libertarian, believe in protecting USA, not being the world police, but thats besides the point) giving the military a negetive view (which is fine).. but heres the kicker... you agreed with him so easily, YET, you said you've talked to the military twice.

Soo.... what I dont get is... your willing to join a group of killers, that does NOTHING benefitial in terms of finding a job (because youll need retrained) in the real world, yet , you have the same viewpoint as Bluemoon? I find that hard to believe. Somebody who thinks Bluemoons views are the "truth", yet, you've talked to the military multiple times to JOIN YOURSELF.  Come on man..... THINK

What you need to do is... think for yourself. 

Fdjake, furnished, Chris, and Bluemoon, all people I like as posters, and respect their opinions.  However, been in the past, I had big arguements with each of them because I didnt agree.  AND THATS FINE!!!   Its fine to have different opinions. 

Im a very proud capitalist/pro SMALLLLL government/ Libertarian.  In my view, the Constitution (which I really want us to start following) is FLAWED, because it gives the Government TO MUCH power.  See how far off base I am with the publc?  On the other hand, you have Furnished, who is form Cali and is pretty Liberal.  But thats fine, because we both think for ourselves.  Furnished does well for a living, and im doing well so far.

You on the other hand, judging from your last post, do not think for yourself.  I cant speak for everybody, but thats a trait I pick up on people very easily.... and to be honest, its not appealing (to me atleast).  Think for yourself man, and things might get better just by doing that.

This is what truth sounds like right here.

You have a bachelors degree and can't find work?... The army takes people without experience all the time. 

I have to disagree.  The military is NOT a job.  It is not about jobs it is about killing people and breaking things.  How do they get people to do that?  They talk about it like it is a job.  The military is a class thing.  The people from the upper classes benefit from the blood spilled by the lower classes for our (upper class) freedom.  The lower classes have no freedom because freedom comes from an environment that allows it and the money to afford it.  The lower classes live in the environment but have no ability to afford it so they are not free.  Why do you think that the military is peopled with people from the lower classes?  Because these people are usually desperate for jobs and they are promised what looks like a job and end up bloody on some battle field in a far away land.

What military experience tells an employer is that you are willing to do anythong and able to be trained.  A college degree does virtually the same thing without getting shot at.

[tatertot]

If I wanted to hire an accountant, I sure as shootin' would not consider anyone without a degree.

In fact, about the only thing I'd consider a high school graduate with no experience for would be burger flipper or sidewalk sweeper. Something where I could get someone else in for a couple of hours if they didn't show up.

Your problem has nothing to do with degree or lack of degree. It is a slow economy and there are few jobs available. If a decent job comes up, it is going to be someone who has a degree that gets it.

Now... someone with the drive and smarts to get a college degree might be smart enough to figure out how to generate some cash (start a business) to keep going until there is hiring again.

[tbodley74]

Well there are some jobs out there for diploma holders that are not all burger flippers and sidewalk sweepers. I know someone with  GED and works at a steel plant making over 20 bucks an hour. I wasn't going to go through with getting a degree at first because it is expensive and I didn't want to be stuck with a student loan that will last for many years. I just felt the pressure to take the risk that may better my chances at a career I am interested in. Everywhere I looked at the time were employers all demanding people have a degree to get the job I want. So I did just that. I got a degree. And that self employment thing is something I am working on.

If I wanted to hire an accountant, I sure as shootin' would not consider anyone without a degree.

In fact, about the only thing I'd consider a high school graduate with no experience for would be burger flipper or sidewalk sweeper. Something where I could get someone else in for a couple of hours if they didn't show up.

Your problem has nothing to do with degree or lack of degree. It is a slow economy and there are few jobs available. If a decent job comes up, it is going to be someone who has a degree that gets it.

Now... someone with the drive and smarts to get a college degree might be smart enough to figure out how to generate some cash (start a business) to keep going until there is hiring again.

[tbodley74]

When I said there is truth in what he was saying, I was agreeing with him saying the military is not a job. Now about the killing people and breaking stuff comment. I can't say I agree or disagree with that statement because I never been in the military nor do I know anyone  who is in the military. I have butt heads with quite a few people whose views and ideas didn't match mine.

Okay, heres what I think.

Tboldley, i think the reason you might not be  able to find a job is because maybe.. just maybe..  you dont stick out, your not unique.  How do I get that opinion?  Well.... I dont think you think for yourself.

Bluemoon stated a opinion about the military (Im a Ron Paul Libertarian, believe in protecting USA, not being the world police, but thats besides the point) giving the military a negetive view (which is fine).. but heres the kicker... you agreed with him so easily, YET, you said you've talked to the military twice.

Soo.... what I dont get is... your willing to join a group of killers, that does NOTHING benefitial in terms of finding a job (because youll need retrained) in the real world, yet , you have the same viewpoint as Bluemoon? I find that hard to believe. Somebody who thinks Bluemoons views are the "truth", yet, you've talked to the military multiple times to JOIN YOURSELF.  Come on man..... THINK

What you need to do is... think for yourself. 

Fdjake, furnished, Chris, and Bluemoon, all people I like as posters, and respect their opinions.  However, been in the past, I had big arguements with each of them because I didnt agree.  AND THATS FINE!!!   Its fine to have different opinions. 

Im a very proud capitalist/pro SMALLLLL government/ Libertarian.  In my view, the Constitution (which I really want us to start following) is FLAWED, because it gives the Government TO MUCH power.  See how far off base I am with the publc?  On the other hand, you have Furnished, who is form Cali and is pretty Liberal.  But thats fine, because we both think for ourselves.  Furnished does well for a living, and im doing well so far.

You on the other hand, judging from your last post, do not think for yourself.  I cant speak for everybody, but thats a trait I pick up on people very easily.... and to be honest, its not appealing (to me atleast).  Think for yourself man, and things might get better just by doing that.

This is what truth sounds like right here.

You have a bachelors degree and can't find work?... The army takes people without experience all the time. 

I have to disagree.  The military is NOT a job.  It is not about jobs it is about killing people and breaking things.  How do they get people to do that?  They talk about it like it is a job.  The military is a class thing.  The people from the upper classes benefit from the blood spilled by the lower classes for our (upper class) freedom.  The lower classes have no freedom because freedom comes from an environment that allows it and the money to afford it.  The lower classes live in the environment but have no ability to afford it so they are not free.  Why do you think that the military is peopled with people from the lower classes?  Because these people are usually desperate for jobs and they are promised what looks like a job and end up bloody on some battle field in a far away land.

What military experience tells an employer is that you are willing to do anythong and able to be trained.  A college degree does virtually the same thing without getting shot at.

[WTSinvestor]

I had to get my 2 cents in here.  This is a biased opinion.  I am currently in the military (officer), actually deployed now.  I joined the military shortly after I graduated college and although I have been on that "wall" you speak of, I led troops in combat I also built up a ton of experience in my relatively short time in the military that will set me apart from my peers. 

In my experience the military has given me responsibilities well beyond what has been asked of my peers at the same time they work their entry level jobs.  I have managed a Platoon of over 30 Soldiers with all the "HR" and other extremely valuable management experience that it would take years to get to that level of experience.  Now I manage property worth over 68 million and a logistical process to support over 400 troops.  All that experience will open doors oh and I am only 4 years out of college.  Good luck getting to that level of experience working a regular entry level job for 4 years.

Let talk finances, in short the military pay system no longer lags behind the corporate world as it once did.  this stigma still persists but I see my pay check and its bigger than those entry level jobs in NYC (which generally pay better than most)

Then there is the honor and pride that comes with serving your country.  I am an immigrant so this opportunity to give something back to a country that took me and my family in, priceless.

[kdhastedt]

Thank you for your service!

Keith