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He is going to jail because he (1) Violated the league's substance abuse policy (i.e., he's a 'druggie'), (2) lied about it to the league, (3) lied to Congress about it and got caught.
The US Courts are no longer about what's right and wrong - they're about who can get the best lawyer to bend the truth and obfuscate.
As for your assertions:
(1) Viagra is a legal drug (with a prescription), steroids are not. Viagra is not on the MLB banned substance lists, steroids are not
(2) He's not actually going to jail because he lied - he's going because he did so under oath - you know kinda like Bill Clinton who was impeached for it.
(3) He's not going to jail BECAUSE he played baseball...he's going because he chose a career path based on his extreme talent, he rose to the highest level, and signed a contract that includes articles about personal conduct which he did not live up to. Then lied and obfuscated in an attempt to be seen in a light different from the truth. Apparently, baseball is all that he did do correctly.
(4) With any luck, he'll not go to Cooperstown because he played a kid's game and cheated to get ahead of others even though he would have, in all likelihood, made the HOF on his talent, statistics, and complete body of work anyway.
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Quote from: kdhastedt on April 26, 2011, 06:36:25 AM
He is going to jail because he (1) Violated the league's substance abuse policy (i.e., he's a 'druggie'), (2) lied about it to the league, (3) lied to Congress about it and got caught.
The US Courts are no longer about what's right and wrong - they're about who can get the best lawyer to bend the truth and obfuscate.
As for your assertions:
(1) Viagra is a legal drug (with a prescription), steroids are not. Viagra is not on the MLB banned substance lists, steroids are not
(2) He's not actually going to jail because he lied - he's going because he did so under oath - you know kinda like Bill Clinton who was impeached for it.
(3) He's not going to jail BECAUSE he played baseball...he's going because he chose a career path based on his extreme talent, he rose to the highest level, and signed a contract that includes articles about personal conduct which he did not live up to. Then lied and obfuscated in an attempt to be seen in a light different from the truth. Apparently, baseball is all that he did do correctly.
(4) With any luck, he'll not go to Cooperstown because he played a kid's game and cheated to get ahead of others even though he would have, in all likelihood, made the HOF on his talent, statistics, and complete body of work anyway.
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Bill Cinton got impeached for having a girl friend. Viagra is a prescription drug just like steriods. People take Viagra everyday without a prescription but the game they play with that is not baseball. If there is a pill that makes you better take it. He is going to jail for playing baseball.
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They were both being DBs and they both got caught doing it..."you do the crime", you do the time. They both raised their right hand and swore to tell the truth and then did not. They both cheated and put themselves above everyone else - they were both 'smarter' than everyone else...they got what they deserved (not enough in either case).
I love your opinions that 'it's only a crime if you get caught' and 'if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying'.
We have differing opinions on this...Bonds is guilty and a proven criminal. Hopefully, he'll be banned from baseball because he's stupid and above the law.
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I look at it like this. Do you ever get someone who has arrested and you ask them what they did and they say they violated their parole. This is the same thing. They didn't get arrested because they violated their parole, they got arrested for what they were on parole for drugs, robbery, etc. In this case Clinton and Bonds did get impeached or sent to jail for whatever the conviction is, the underlying crime is Bonds played baseball too well and Clinton had a girlfriend.
Anybody that does steroids or has a girlfriend and is asked about it and tells the truth should go to jail for being stupid enough to say it. Just like anybody that has a girlfriend and does not lie about it should be taken out of the gene pool. Some things the normal response is to lie. Like did you just kill that woman, or was that you coming out of the bordello?
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If you can't see the problem here then I can't argue it with you. Bonds is a great player with an asteriks next to his records, he has to live with and we will always wonder.
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