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« on: September 09, 2003, 04:11:16 PM »

I own a duplex that is consuming too much of my time and I'm considering hiring the services of a property management company.  Anyone have any experience with good ones?  Anyone had bad experiences with any?  I've been quoted an 8% management fee and 80% listing/tenant screening fee.  Does this sound about right?  Any and all info and advice is greatly appreciated.
If you don't feel comfortable bad-mouthing a property management company in a message board format, please email me at the address below.

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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2003, 05:04:02 PM »

Where are you located ?  8 % sounds a little high especially the 80 % to rent a vacancy. shop around and you will find a better deal. hould be able to get 5% with 50% for reletting. If the broker is linked with MLS leasing you may have to pay a little more if you think that service is worth the extra. For higher end property it may be worth the extra to find better tenants. With the low income stuff I manage I will never get great tenants. If I screen too carefully I will always be vacant. I try to find a happy medium.  Hope I helped a little.

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Ted P. Stokely Jr
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2003, 05:28:45 PM »

Hi -

Duplexes are funny varmints -- not quite a SFH and not completely an apartment either.

I agree with Ted that you're getting ready to pay far too much (in fees) for far too little (in the way of management).

Here's the deal: Duplexes look like homes, but they often attract those folks fleeing apartments (for whatever reasons). Apartment tenants are trained to look for someone else to take care of their problems -- mow the grass, fix the toilet, etc.

On the other hand, good SFHs attract tenants that expect to take care of these (and other things) themselves.

Guess which kind of tenant requires more "hands-on" management?

Why not take a look at your rents (or other inducements) and see if you can't attract a better class of tenant?  Rather than loosen my screening requirements, I'd lower my rents and tighten my screening procedure.  Get the picture?

Research has proven that a renting to a higher quality tenant often translates directly into more restful sleep (peace of mind). :zzz


Take care,

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2003, 06:00:31 AM »

Jeremy,

Make sure you read the contract. That means EVERY WORD OF THE CONTRACT!!!!!  If there is ever a dispute it always comes back to whats in the contract. Nothing else matters.  deal


Here are some things to look for in the contract:

They have to give you 30 days notice, you have to give them 60 days notice to cancel the contract. Unfair. If you're unhappy with their service why should you have to wait 60 days to be rid of them? Why would they want to keep someone who's unhappy around for another 60 days? It doesn't take 60 days to unwind the bookkeeping.

They keep all the late fees. Unfair. You should get half the late fees each month at a bare minimum. If they get to keep all the late fees each month that creates a situation where its not in their best interest to collect YOUR rent on time. They can potentially make more money by collecting your rent late each month. That's not fair.

Who keeps the pet fees/deposits? Assuming you allow pets.

Look for anything in the contract that looks unusual.



Additional questions to ask:

When do you get your money each month? What day do checks go out? If they say, "between the 5th and the 15th" then find another company. They should know to the day how long it takes to cut checks each month.

Get them to show you a copy of what their statements look like.

What happens when a tenant pays late or pays AFTER the cut off date? Do you have to wait until the following month to get paid or will they make the deposit even after they print your monthly report and checks have already been disbursed for the month? Why should you have to wait until the following month? That wouldn't be fair. You're mortgages won't wait will they?\

Can they make electronic deposits to your bank?

How long have they been in business? Anything less than 10 years I'd stay away from.

Do they own property themselves? This may not be a big deal, but if they manage 500 units and 250 are theirs guess who's properties get filled first. Hint, it won't be yours.

Ask for a list of 10 of their clients you can speak with. Ask the clients how they like dealing with this company. Ask the clients when the money really gets disbursed.

Make sure that YOU do the interviewing. They're going to be working for you. Make them EARN your business and make them prove to you they know what they're doing.

Take your time, don't pick the first company because you're in a hurry. You'll regret doing that. Go with a reputable company who's been around for a long time.

Remember, nothing is set in stone and everything is negotiable.

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2003, 06:30:48 AM »

Great advice Stacy. Like me you must have been jerked around by management companies before. I did not even know what was happening to the late fees and I had to wait the month for late rent. If I ever hire another company I will take every word of your advice.

Thanks for helping folks out. What a great site to be part of  !!!!!

Thank you,

Ted P. Stokely Jr
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2003, 10:33:07 AM »

I really do appreciate all the advice I've received regarding my dilemna.  The knowledge and experience possessed by the members of this site is far beyond what one would expect.  Thanks to those who have replied, I feel I'm prepared to make an educated decision on whether to use a property management company (and I'm leaning toward continuing to maintain the property myself for now).

Thanks,

Jeremy
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2003, 01:25:53 AM »

Hi All,

I`m new to investing, but I have been looking all over the internet with different searches, trying to find out all that I can before I go into my first deal.

I just thought that this might be pertinent here, because I have seen some fantastic property management software out there that would save you loads of time.  Instead of paying out huge fees to unscrupulous management companies (not saying that they all are!) you could invest in something for a one time fee.

Why not do a search for yourself, and see what you come up with, you might see something that you could use.

Just my one pennies worth.

Paula

Oh by the way, I`m located in NE Dallas near Richardson if anyone would like to help me get started, I`m looking to control properties for lease optioning.  Any advice on the subject would be gratefuly accepted.

Thanks!    lol
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2003, 06:43:45 PM »

There is a whole lot more to property management than just software. A pencil and a notebook is all that is needed as far as software. Someone has to get the property ready, meet new prospective tenants if they show up, file evictions, collect from those who do not pay, handle repairs, meet inspectors and any other number of problems.  It is time consuming and a full time job if you own enough units. Just a few thoughts to help you and let you know that companies do earn their money and they are good to use if you need them.

Thank you,

Ted P. Stokely Jr
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Austin, Texas  78737

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