Free Marketing Download Area

[Kawika_CA]

I didn't delete it. Thanks for the update though, it makes sense not to have that service since it competes with the product catalog.

If they're not going to do it and they don't want anyone else doing it, why keep this thread here? Seems odd. I think the mistake they made is that I don't really care, I just like helping people.

[aznewbie]

Thats the thing though. I don't see how it competes with their products. It would be for letters postcards etc. Not forms or contracts.

As far as the thread still being here, who knows. It will probably end up being deleted soon anyway.

Keep helping people and you will do good. (In more than 1 way)  

[$Cash$]

Angelina,

I see no reason for this post to be deleted, it was an idea spawned to help posters here with marketing materials they could download to help them in their careers.

Now we can get the negative "beef" posts or we can get some posts with ideas to help sell it to management here at the REI Club on what a great idea it is.

So you posters who have a "beef" give me some postitive ideas or anyone who has some ideas about how to sell this to management.

The next step is to present this, so let's hear it on how it should be presented.

John $Cash$ Locke

[aznewbie]

Hi John,

I have no ideas on how to present this. When I asked "the powers that be" about it they told me what I said above.

Maybe everyone can post why it would help them and what they could contribute?

(I guess thats an idea?)

Maybe if the download section is advertised on this site more it would get more hits than before...

[$Cash$]

Angelina,

It is no different than talking to a seller, if you do not make the proper presentation it is easy to get a no as a reply.  So before we throw in the towel, let's take a positive approach on why this is important to the members here.

I will start it off and then look for some input from others.

Mr. Management,

"Let me begin by telling you why a Free Download area is important to the members at the REI Club...."

As we go along we can also cover any questions before they become objections.

John $Cash$ Locke

[whatsagirltodo]

I think this is a great idea. I could put in a few things. I read all the time and pick up ideas from all over. I know most people here read alot also, so if even half the posters would give a tip here and there on things they read and things they've done, it would help all. Everyone can't read everything so if people would give, the info could be infinite. I also think with this kind of benefit it will draw more and more people in.

[aznewbie]

Very true. Thats the idea, to get everyone to share what they use or have heard. I have not seen any other sites with this type of download area so I thought it could be a good thing to bring more visitors too!

John, you gave a good start to presenting this idea.
Unfortunately I am terrible at speaking/writing professionally. :

Maybe the members could post why it will help them and why they think it would be a good resource for this site. (Sorry if I said that already-can't remember)

Then we could put everything together for a presentation type thing.
(If you could do the writing part that would be great!)  

[vidaloca]

Can't the moderators, whom I'm sure have ALL read this post, just decide to put up the download area since the majority here want it?  Does this really have to be "presented" to anyone?

Just get together, mods, and do it.  Believe me, it will save a lot of double posting and repeat messages when everyone is asking for the same item.

 

[$Cash$]

vidaloca,

To answer your question, yes it does need to be presented to the owner of this site for his approval and implemtation.

Since at this time it is not a priority as the owner of this site has stated, I thought maybe a little lesson in salespersonship was in order.  If the posters who want this download area to come about then it would seem that everyone working together to convince the owner would be a great lesson in how to apply our ability in making it happen.

Let's say this had already happened and the download area was up, so everyone starts downloading marketing materials and starts sending out these products.

Now there are responses from a seller, how many of the posters could actually handle objections from these sellers when they happen and they will?   If you cannot handle the objections from the owner of this site, then how would you handle sellers objections?

My point being if everyone worked together to come up with a presentation that would justify to the owner to put this area up, then everyone would learn far more than just having a place to go to download marketing materials.  They would learn what to do when the seller calls.

Let's pull together for everyones benefit, if you want this to happen then let's make it happen.

John $Cash$ Locke

[vidaloca]

You learn how to handle the sellers objections by trial and error, just like learning how to ride a bike.  I've read plenty of real estate investing materials; in books, on websites, etc., and when you get a phone call - some of it you remember and apply and sometimes you think, "Gosh, I should have said THAT!" when you get off the phone.  It is all a learning experience.

Since you stated that a download area is not a priority for the owner, then I have to wonder if those previous posters who mentioned there might be a conflict between having that and all the materials people are selling for hundreds of $$ are right.  If it's not a priority, then why bother pitching it if it's already understood that he/she really has no interest in the idea?  You can't make an unmotivated seller sell, right???  Doesn't the same concept apply here?

I've been watching this thread for a while before commenting and now I just feel like it's a stall tactic.  Make a decision to do it or not before people waste their time and get their hopes up.  These types of forums are supposed to be helpful - and don't get me wrong, they definitely are  - but when push comes to shove, everyone wants to tightly control their money making secrets.   Don't you know you get more when you give more??

Live by the golden rule!

[$Cash$]

When this post was first originated Angelina and I discussed how to title the post to get posters attention and came up with the Free Marketing Download Area title.  As you can see it has had over 1200 hits, which would say that it was effective in drawing attention to the post.

Not casting blame on Angelina because her heart was in the right place, she contacted the powers that be without discussing all the merits or a plan of action to convince them this was a good idea.  Maybe I am out line in this statement and she can certainly correct me if I am wrong about what happened.

Actually anyone selling product on this site is another plus in our favor as they could upload some of their "teaser" materials to get the posters to take a look at their procucts.  So right here I have taken a negative and turned it into a plus.

Does anyone really think that everything is Free without having to put some effort of their own in a project and those that just want it handed to them are the ones who complain the most.

vidaloca you mention unmovtivated seller as an example, I use the Subject To method of investing, all my job on the phone is to set the appointment, then get face to face with the seller and let him sell me his house on my terms.

So here is a line I have heard many times over the phone "This isn't one of those damn deals where the loan stays in my name is it?"  Now is this an unmotivated seller or how would you handle this objection?

If you care to respond how you would handle it then I will tell you how to and what the real outcome is.

John $Cash$ Locke

[aznewbie]

This poll has been up for almost a month and has only recieved 82 votes. The 1280+ hits are from members reading the new posts and seeing the results of the poll, not that is a good attention grabber.

As for contacting the powers that be without discussing all of the merits or having a plan of action to convince them. I did.

I told them a lot of members on this site have stated they would like to see a free download area for marketing materials to help them in their careers. I also stated that it would be a good idea for this site because it would have a resource no other site has (which might bring in more members) and it would prevent posts turning into a "can I have a copy" type thing.

It's a good idea for this site and the members, plain and simple.
What else do you need?

I am not a salesperson. They way I will be doing business is not convincing people to do something they are not sure about. I will tell them the facts. What I can do, why it will benefit them and let them make the choice. I do not want to come off as a salesperson. I want to be thought of a person that has solutions if they want them, not a smooth talker.

Like I said before, the powers that be replied with a statement that it was in deed a good idea BUT they had one before. It did not recieve enough hits/visits on the page to make it worthwhile to have up. (It was up for 3 yrs or so before it was taken down)

I do not know if it was not advertised well enough or what the reason for the low amount of hits were but they provided a link to see what they had on it. It was mostly forms for various things like landlording, purchase contracts/options, hud 1's etc. It was not a marketing ideas download area.

Another reason it was taken down is because it had a conflict with the contract they signed with Socrates (Don't know if that is spelled right)

So that tells us right there we might have a chance to get this download area put up. What they had and what we are asking for are two totally different things.

AND the next thing is, hardly anyone contributed to it. The owners had to go around asking people for materials. Very few gave anything. I think we may have a similar problem with this idea.
I have posted on here a couple times about people needing to donate their materials and only a few have responded saying they had stuff they would be willing to share.

It doesn't matter how well we present this idea if nobody will share their materials.

[vidaloca]

So here is a line I have heard many times over the phone "This isn't one of those damn deals where the loan stays in my name is it?"  Now is this an unmotivated seller or how would you handle this objection?

$Cash$ -

I will very honestly respond that I have never done a Sub-2 deal because I am a birddogger.

However, I am anxiously awaiting your response as to what you would tell this guy - as you indicated - because as I move up the "food chain," I'm sure I'll hear this same line in the future.

[$Cash$]

Angelina,

Then I give you a job well done for trying, no matter the outcome, you are to be commended.

Then it really was not a bad idea, just that not many folks were willing to share their ideas and probably the effort expended to so would be a long and hard task for someone , or as the old saying goes you can lead a horse to water...certainly applies in this case.

If you remember a while back I said I had a post card in a free download area, well I checked this evening and here are the results post card downloads: 13,895, however when I looked around at the other free materials offered it was pretty slim pickings.

John $Cash$ Locke

[aznewbie]

Thanks John.

Hopefully this is not a big waste of everyone's time.

Thats another reason I asked right up front. I didn't want to ask people if they wanted something if it never had a chance to happen in the first place.

So what's it going to be everyone?

What do you have to share?

Maybe if we can get a list together of all the materials everyone will share we'll have a better chance to make it happen.