9/11 Conspiracy or Not?

[rookieNYC]

Sorry I started this thread..I dont want anyone to fight over this...Whats common sense for some is complicated for others...Once again I didnt want to see anyone fighting...

[Mdhaas]

It fine to disagree. Just don't need to add in the name calling. 

[Bluemoon06]

Actually you can shoot holes in a pressurized plane without sending it to the ground.  Air marshals train that when they shoot some bullets will end up piercing the plan’s skin.  The plane won’t depressurize that rapidly through a bullet hole.

[phlemboy]

What if you have 200 people firing holes into the plane?? Sounds like a job for "Mythbusters"..

[propertymanager]

Even in a sudden, complete depressurization of an aircraft, that doesn't cause the aircraft to crash (although it is a little disorienting and upsetting).  Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

[fdjake]

Actually the CREATOR of the web site is VERY SIGNIFICANT when YOU quote the THOUSAND+ Engineers that supposedly agree with him....

The only PROBLEM????

I just signed up as a ENGINEERING member at that site....NOW  I'm ALSO one of the THOUSAND+ Engineers!!!!

NO CHECK done on my BACKGROUND, No Professional registration documents even ASKED for......Not even a SPACE for a State PE registration number.

As a matter of FACT......NUMEROUS.....REAL Engineers that made the MISTAKE of signing up with that site, have REPEATEDLY asked that their NAMES be removed because they DO NOT agree with this nut in ANY WAY, SHAPE, or FORM.....But he STILL uses the NUMBER you referred to 1000+....Sounds like a SALES JOB to me.....and YOU bought it.....HOOK, LINE and SINKER!!!

WHAT A RESOURCE YOU FOUND THERE!!!!!!

The reality is this......

This wack job is an ARCHITECT that designs HIGH SCHOOL GYMS.....he admits to having absolutely NO BACKGROUND in structural engineering, demolition, explosives OR.......HIGH RISE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN!!!

I would consider THAT VERY significant.....

But I'm WACKY that way!!!

I'm done debating this.......If you believe the Towers came down because of PLANTED EXPLOSIVES....

That tells me everything I need to know!  Enjoy your conspiracy!!

[christopher w]

This wack job is an ARCHITECT that designs HIGH SCHOOL GYMS.....he admits to having absolutely NO BACKGROUND in structural engineering, demolition, explosives OR.......HIGH RISE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN!!!

I would consider THAT VERY significant.....

That is some funny stuff. Made me laugh out loud.

[NJbird_dog]

I referenced that site after googling '9/11 and engineer'. I never visited that site before today, but  I HAVE SEEN PLENTY of presentations, reports, articles, ETC by engineers.

Just like your silly attempt in referencing ONE engineer who wrote an article. BIG DEAL.
The point made, which you obviously missed b/c you're too busy playing GOTCHA, is this:

There's engineers on BOTH SIDES of the story and IT DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT!

Let's talk about your great collapsed building resource, gee, did you copy that off the firehouse wall?? WHAT A GREAT RESOURCE!!

NOT......

None of your BS arguments made sense Mr. fire-explosive-demolition-steelframing Expert. You took a topic like 9/11 and twisted it into a game of kiddie politics, now you sound like a kid running away with the lollipop in your hand. That was never my intent.

[fdjake]

Which story is it????  This guy YOU mentioned IS an EXPERT (as YOU claim) OR you never visited the site till today and know NOTHING about it???

Just for the record......This is the same guy who PM'd me ASKING how I got information about properties from the OBITS????

He actually ASKED where I got their info from???

I had to READ this question a few times because my MIND couldn't wrap itself around how this person could look at an OBIT in the paper that had the PERSONS NAME, the CITY OR TOWN they LIVED IN, and EVEN THE STREET they lived on right in the OBIT....Yet he had NO CLUE how I was contacting these people.

Here's the WORD for WORD question....

"I'd like to take your tip and advertise to obits, but what source do you get the home address from?"

I actually replied......."ARE YOU KIDDING ME???"

But now I understand!!!

And he NEVER VISITED the ae911 site until today???

Someone didn't make SENSE here alright and I'm more than CONFIDENT the readers can figure out WHO that was!!!

I'm sorry if I got a little heated on this one....But this topic hits very close to home for reasons I'm not gonna get into here.

[NJbird_dog]

Just for the record, as expected, he didn't post my full message that I sent him: I PM'd him and asked him if he used an online directory to find the HOME ADDRESSES of the deceased.

WHY? Because I checked about 5 online newspapers in NJ and NONE OF THEM HAD THE HOME ADDRESS LISTED. So I asked him if he used a separate search to find the actual home address, like
http://www.deathindexes.com/

Can you wrap your head around that?? Try it.. it requires accepting a different VIEW, something you obviously aren't capable of doing. 

If you wanna keep attacking that website I referenced, go ahead. It was a weak link, but it served it's purpose: THERE'S ENGINEERS ON BOTH SIDES.


FACE IT.......You CAN'T STAND having your WEAK views on 9/11 challenged. THEY MAKE NO SENSE. That's why you're throwing in these personal attacks and playing kiddie politics. You aren't an expert on this topic and whatever experience you have as a firefighter DOESN'T relate to what happened on 9/11! . 


Hey and your buddy here, Mr. Ramon Gilsanz, the EXPERT.... listen to him as he says "WTC # 7 WAS THE FIRST STEEL BUILDING TO HAVE COLLAPSED DUE TO FIRE" Maybe you should send him that firehouse-wall list of collapsed buildings you posted earlier!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Mp4QdWQRs


I'll say it again and end with this.. 9/11 WASN'T done by Congress, our gov, Bush, the republicans, democrats, ETC!! NO THEY DIDN'T SIT around and plot this against their own country. START filling in the gaps and find out for YOURSELVES how deep this rabbit hole goes. Stop accepting the officially story with all it's bogus lies and misinformation and investigate the truth.

[fdjake]

http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm

Your favorite source of info YOUTUBE,,, cuts out right before GILSANZ attributes the collapse to not only FIRE but ALSO the single column he writes about in the ARTICLE I linked in the PROFESSIONALLY RECOGNIZED STRUCTURE Magazine. 

Nice try......

Stick to body work!

Another FAVORIYE PM I got from NJ......He tells me how he buys CARS at dealer only AUCTIONS and has people in JORDAN that want to buy them from him.....But a few days later he sends another PM asking me how he can get a DEALERS LICENSE because he needs one to buy cars from dealer only auctions?????

Sharp as a marble!

[phlemboy]

A steel buiding will not melt and collapse over a NORMAL fire. The heat generated by the JET FUEL was many hotter than that. That intense heat melted the steel structure which cause the collapse...  I worked for a structural steel company for 7 years out of high school. I've fabricated and erected structural steel in buildings. The beams that support the floors are usually about 3/16 to 3/8" thick. When it only takes a normal oxy/acetlene torch to cut the steel like butter, What do you think the heat generated by the JET FUEL FIRE mixed with the OXYGEN TANKS ABOARD THE PLANE will do?.. When acetylene and oxygen are mixed they generate about 5500 degrees F. Without the oxygen, it won't burn hot enough.... That Jet fuel/ oxygen mix was more than enough to melt the steel.

[NJbird_dog]

Lol FUNNY GUY, keep the personal attacks coming so I can continue to make a fool of you. If you included the full msg, I told you my partner has his dealer's license. Then I told you he's flaky sometimes. So if I needed to get my own dealer's license, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY ALTERNATIVE WAYS to get it aside from owning a dealership. You said NO. And with all your experience, you were WRONG. My partner doesn't have a dealership, but still has his license. At the time when I sent you the message, I didn't ask him how he got the dealer's license, but then I did ask him and he explained it to me. I'll let you figure that one out on your own.



My "favorite source of info" is no different than these debunk websites you're referencing.

As I've said, Gilsanz is ONE engineer that was HIRED and put in the spotlight to investigate. There's plenty of "Gilsanz" on the flip side.



At least we can now agree that it was the first STEEL BUILDING TO COLLAPSE.

GREAT. Something good may just come out of all this afterall.

[fdjake]

I found it HYSTERICAL that while LIVING in NEW JERSEY and supposedly BUYING and SELLING wrecked "highend" cars you were asking someone from OUT OF STATE about Dealers Licensing laws in YOUR STATE....

So....according to YOU......you're STILL are in business with your FLAKY PARTNER with no dealership but a DEALERS License!!!

"At the time I didn't ask him, but then I did ask him" 

HEY.....GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!!!    

But to be honest.....after the OBITS question......I had already written you off.  That's why you got the''''ARE YOU KIDDING ME" reply.  I wasn't about to waste my time.

Oh by the way.....Your FLAKY PARTNER has what's called a WHOLESALERS LICENSE......I figured if you were so LAZY you couldn't pickup a phone and call the dealers licensing dept....It was a complete WASTE of my time even replying to your question.

And I'm REALLY SORRY I wasted everyones time here debating this with YOU!

Good luck EXPORTING CARS to Jordan!!!!!   I'm sure the Jordanians would NEVER bend you over on a deal.

[NJbird_dog]

When did I EVER say I fix cars or sell wrecked "highend" cars? Did you pull that one out of your magician hat?

Not worth explaining details to you.

That's the end of the posts for today. This topic's done. Thanks for hijacking it, making a fool out of yourself with the ridiculous arguments, then starting the personal attacks after realizing you make no sense.


G'night all